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Topic: New 2015 Honey regulations.

30th June 2015 at 9:19pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Now published http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1348/made.
I can't see any major changes except if you do honey with chunks of cut comb in it it has to be named as "chunk honey" or "cut comb in honey". If you're sitting module 2 you may wish to refer to the latest legislation's as this now replaces the old one, whose date I can't remember 96?.
I'm told the last March module 7 examination contained a question about bees from Yugoslavia ....which hasn't existed since the early 1990's so it's possible it may take them a few years to add this new legislation into the examination system :-).
30th June 2015 at 10:19pm

Gerry Collins
Doncaster

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I think you will find that candidates for BBKA General Husbandry , Advanced husbandry and module examinations are expected to know about all relevant regulations from the moment they become operative. As an examiner I would be disappointed if they didn't.

The question you referred to  (in section A and so worth all of one  mark)

"Which sub species of Apis mellifera originated in the area of the former Yugoslavia"

This area for many beekeepers is probably better known as the "former Yugoslavia"  than referring to the Balkans or listing the names of the numerous countries that now make up this area.

I would have turned the question round and asked in which part of europe  did "Apis mellifera carnica" originate.

Last edited at 10:31pm on the 30th June by Gerry Collins

30th June 2015 at 10:57pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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I cannot find any prior advertisement of their imminent publication at the end of June in either the June or July BBKA magazines nor on the current web site, both of which are major source of news and information for BBKA members.
As many will be sitting module 2, general husbandry etc this year they may be blissfully unaware of the new regulations from their, now outdated, revision material.

These regulations, boring as they may be, do effect all beekeepers who sell honey. Fortunately there appear to be few changes.
30th June 2015 at 11:17pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Gerry Collins wrote:
I would have turned the question round and asked in which part of europe  did "Apis mellifera carnica" originate.
  

I do appreciate the problems involved. I found it better to leave ambiguous questions out, unless the syllabus specifically defined the region of former Yugoslavia as Croatia, Macedonian and Slovenia.
Yes I know it is only one mark....but it's the overall principal. Exams should allow  students to display their knowledge, rather than possibly confusing them in a pressurized exam situation.
I had a similar question in a module 1 paper a few years back.
What is a Rhombus used for?
I can think of two correct answers.

The question implies there is only one answer, which is incorrect. Perhaps it should have been worded.... name one of the uses of a rhombus shaped object in bee keeping?

To this day I don't know which one the was BBKA looking for?
1st July 2015 at 10:03am

Gerry Collins
Doncaster

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Many questions in  beekeeping have more than one answer. The rhombus question was looking for the clearing device but credit was given for the use of a rhombus to calculate the degree of inbreeding (which only one candidate came up with). I personally would not have set this question as it was obviously far too easy for module 1 as (if I remember correctly) all candidates gained a mark for it. Most candidates take module 1 long before modue 7 so this question was never  likely to cause any confusion. While facts have their place I think questions should be designed more to allow candidates to display their understanding rather than regurgitate pure rote memorised facts.

The new honey regulations were briefly mentioned by Margaret Murdin on page 250 in latest (July)  BBKA news. I'm sure it will be discussed in more detail on BBKA web site and in the BBKA news once the minor changes to the previous 2003 regs and their implications have been digested. I see you have brought the topic up on the other forum.
1st July 2015 at 12:01pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Gerry Collins wrote:
The new honey regulations were briefly mentioned by Margaret Murdin on page 250 in latest (July)  BBKA news. I'm sure it will be discussed in more detail on BBKA web site and in the BBKA news once the minor changes to the previous 2003 regs and their implications have been digested. I see you have brought the topic up on the other forum.
   

Sorry, I missed it. It was in an article about honey jars that I didn't read. I would certainly hope the BBKA does an article on the new regulations as they now apply to all us beekeepers who sell their honey.

I didn't bring the topic up on another forum, I was asking questions trying to get clarification of the implications for labeling of cut comb  honey.
One poster says it has now got to be called Honey with cut comb, although the implication as I read it was that this is the reserved description for jars of honey containing chunks of cut comb. Whereas comb honey is reserved for full combs and sections of it, which I take (the sections to imply cut comb as opposed to those rounds or squares for making section honey in bee keeeping parlance.
It's not totally transparent to my reading.
I'd be interested in how others interpret this.

Last edited at 12:02pm on the 1st July by Nigel Pringle

1st July 2015 at 12:10pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Gerry Collins wrote:
 The rhombus question was looking for the clearing device but credit was given for the use of a rhombus to calculate the degree of inbreeding (which only one candidate came up with).
 
That was probably me, funnily enough I'd not heard of rhombus clearer's at the time.....which probably means I didn't look at clearers beyond Canadian and porter as too busy learning the sizes of all the different frames and boxes....which, thankfully, I now understand is not required for module 1.

Gerry Collins wrote:
I think questions should be designed more to allow candidates to display their understanding rather than regurgitate pure rote memorised facts.
 
I couldn't agree more.
Although module 5 still springs to mind as a rather tedious fact learning exercise in anatomy with lots of label this diagram type questions.
1st July 2015 at 2:15pm

Fred - Dublin

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<...as too busy learning the sizes of all the different frames and boxes....>

 

And about as useful as learning how to darn socks.
25th July 2015 at 5:23pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Thymallus wrote:
 I would certainly hope the BBKA does an article on the new regulations as they now apply to all us beekeepers who sell their honey.
 Still cannot find the BBKA making any reference to them in the August edition of the BBKA news.  Lots about a BBKA campaign inspired by Winnie the Pooh, but nothing about the new regulations that affect most bee keepers who sell any of their honey.  Admittedly there is little change apart, from the chunk honey regulations. But these new regulations are the now the current standard to refer to.

However, as I missed the last reference to their imminent publication (because it was tucked away as an aside in an article about honey jars) it may be hiding in there somewhere.
25th July 2015 at 7:22pm

JimNorfolk
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North Norfolk

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There is an article in the August edition of Beecraft on the 2015 Honey Regulations.
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