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Topic: Exam results

3rd December 2015 at 11:28am

JimNorfolk
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North Norfolk

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It is a shame that to save money, the Exam Board have decided they will no longer publish exam results in BBKA News. (BBKA news December 2015 page 409)

Had this been announced earlier, I think there would have been a proposition to the ADM to reinstate the results service.

What do others think?
3rd December 2015 at 2:48pm

Gerry Collins
Doncaster

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They will be published on this BBKA website and nowadays most members have access and know how to use the internet. The results do take up alot of space in the BBKA news and most people are only interested in seeing their own results and maybe a few others from their association. Only the results of those that pass are ever published  (I think if the "fails" were published as well I think there would be outroar from the "know-alls" that fail!)
3rd December 2015 at 3:37pm

Fred - Dublin

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<  (I think if the "fails" were published as well I think there would be outroar from the "know-alls" that fail!) >

 

I obviously agree 'fails' shouldn't be published but would you not think that the 'know-alls' even having failed, end up  knowing a lot more about beekeeping as a result of at least studying for the exams?

 

Otherwise what is the point of having exams?

 

70% is the pass mark in my neck of the woods. 69% IMO still represents a pretty good knowledge for a hobbyist.

 

 

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3rd December 2015 at 4:06pm

Roger Patterson
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Wisborough Green

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I don't know what the cost savings are, but I'm happy with Gerry's comment.

Quite frankly I would prefer any savings to be spent on improvements to the exam system in other ways. I'm sure there are things with greater benefit the money could be spent on.

Roger Patterson.
3rd December 2015 at 5:15pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Gerry Collins wrote:
They will be published on this BBKA website and nowadays most members have access and know how to use the internet. The results do take up alot of space in the BBKA news and most people are only interested in seeing their own results and maybe a few others from their association. Only the results of those that pass are ever published  (I think if the "fails" were published as well I think there would be outroar from the "know-alls" that fail!)
  

There is something very satisfying about seeing ones name in print in the BBKA magazine as "passed", credit, or distinction. Many people do take notice of these as the results are not passed on to your local association and it is often their only way to find out who passed (and who didn't...by the omission of their names). Now the examination results will be tucked away on a web site....with only the interested parties (examinees and curious association members) taking any notice of them.
To me, not publishing them devalues the whole point of the examination system. Thank goodness I've only got a couple left to take.
I should add they often take more of my attention than some of the articles currently published.
3rd December 2015 at 5:24pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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JimNB wrote:
It is a shame that to save money, the Exam Board have decided they will no longer publish exam results in BBKA News. 
 

One has to ask whose decision it was to expand BBKA news from a quarterly to a monthly magazine if cost is the claimed issue here! To be honest some of the recent articles are no more than space fillers. Publishing the results both highlights and showcases the BBKA's examination system....publishing them on a web site hides them away.
Go back to a quarterly magazine if cost really is the issue (I have my doubts that this is the reason).
3rd December 2015 at 6:53pm

JimNorfolk
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North Norfolk

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Wow I find myself in complete agreement wit,h Thymallus!

Of course if they really wanted to save money we could extend Gerry's argument and just put BBKA news on line, but then I and many others wouldn't bother to read it. I have an on line subscription to Bee Craft. I have only looked at it once and then did not bother agian. Magazines are meant to be enjoyed in a comfortable chair with a cup of tea or coffee not hunched over a computer screen.
3rd December 2015 at 7:38pm

Roger Patterson
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Wisborough Green

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Have you heard the old story about beekeepers agreeing?

For every one that thinks it's wonderful to have their name in print, there are probably 100 or more who are thinking "Why am I paying for this?"

Regarding the comment "There is something very satisfying about seeing ones name in print in the BBKA magazine as "passed", credit, or distinction.", there are another 25,500 beekeepers who aren't bothered. Does anyone really take the exams just to get the satisfaction of seeing their own name in print? Perhaps we could charge a fee to those who wished their names to be shown - £10-20? If you take Gerry's point, you would come up every time your own name is Googled.

I am a great supporter of the BBKA exam system, but one of my gripes is the small group who see passing as "proof" they know more than anyone else and want others to know it.

Regarding the content of BBKA News, the Editor can only publish what is submitted. I know she works very hard to maintain a supply of copy. If anyone has any issues, the answer is to get writing! There is very little new in beekeeping, so there is much recycling.

I agree with Jim about online magazines. He has looked at online BeeCraft once more than me. If BBKA News went online only we would lose the advertising.

Roger Patterson
3rd December 2015 at 9:07pm

Gerry Collins
Doncaster

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Most associations present the certificates and badges at major meetings so successfull exam candidates can get  their moment of glory in front of people that know them (if that is what they want!). Anyway the main gain of exams is what you learn from  the studying process rather than the certificate with your name on it.

Thymallus writes " To be honest some of the recent articles are no more than space fillers". I hope he thinks that the contributions from Roger and myself ( I do the Q/A page in the BBKA news) are not space fillers.

I see that Roger is standing for the exam board (that should make for some interesting meetings if elected). I spent 19 years on the exam board over the last 30 + years finishing in dec 2014 . The board took over a large chunk of my life. Now that I am a free man I can now spent far more time with my grandkids and my bees!
3rd December 2015 at 9:51pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Roger Patterson wrote:
Regarding the comment "There is something very satisfying about seeing ones name in print in the BBKA magazine as "passed", credit, or distinction.", there are another 25,500 beekeepers who aren't bothered. Does anyone really take the exams just to get the satisfaction of seeing their own name in print? 
  

I wouldn't know, just that is nice to have a public acknowledgement of your achievements. Now relegated to a web page. I speak as I see it, disagree or attempt to belittle if you must.

Have you taken the exams Roger?
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