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Topic: Exam results

27th December 2015 at 10:59pm

Richard Bradfield
Reigate

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Roger Patterson wrote:
Let's turn this on it's head.

If previously there had been no publishing of results, then someone suggested it and BBKA did a poll of members asking if they would like to have the results published at a cost of £2000, or on the website for free, I wonder what the result would be.

It is still my view the Exam Board can do much more with the money and on a permanent basis, not just this year, but next, and the next, and so on.......
 
Sorry, but no, I don't believe this issue can be stood on its head.

If the Exam results were able to be published WITHIN the BBKA News' usual 36 pages of content, then there would be no 'additional' costs incurred by BBKA News. As far as I can see it, the issue is one of editorial planning and prioritising. I.E. making space within their 36 pages for information that is of interest to BBKA members.

The 'oncosts' surely only arrise when the content required to be included exceeds the capacity of its budgetted (???) 36 pages, and the publication size needs to increase to the next 'step up' of 48 pages. For example, when the additional 'British Bee Journal' pages are included. Who picks up that 'on-cost'?
28th December 2015 at 3:40pm

Bee237
Southern England

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AdamDarling wrote:
Maybe the exam results pages could be 'sponsored' by an equipment suppler "sponsored by xyz, supplier of beekeeping equipment and books suitable for exam preparation - free book delivery for all those that have passed the BBKA basic exam" ?
      
Mann Lake probably paid for the postage, as well as for putting all their catalogues into the plastic envelopes?

We've been told it costs £2,000 for the exam results to be printed. Who should pay for this, the candidates or the whole membership, even those who aren't interestedin taking exams?

If exam candidates really want to see their names in print in the BBKA magazine, even after knowing how much it costs, then the exam fee may need to be increased should cover it. If we're talking about 1,000 succesasful candidates it'll cost an extra £2 per person.
29th December 2015 at 1:25pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Bee237 wrote:
We've been told it costs £2,000 for the exam results to be printed. Who should pay for this, the candidates or the whole membership, even those who aren't interestedin taking exams?
  

If my understanding is right the exam results have always previously been published free with no incurred costs to the examinations board. It is only now that the BBKA magazine publishers are demanding 2K to print them in future issues. Unless there are other issues involved, they claim they add pages increase weight and hence postage costs. 

Which can be dealt with quite simply by decreasing the content by approx 1 article 2 times per annum when the results are published.
To many the puzzling issue appears to be why one arm of the BBKA is asking another arm of the BBKA for money? Something that Should be explained.

Last edited at 1:26pm on the 29th December by Nigel Pringle

29th December 2015 at 2:02pm

Diane Drinkwater
Manchester & District

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If you look through the accounts of the BBKA you can see how much the magazine costs, how much membership brings in, how much advertising brings in, how much exams bring in and how much it costs.

http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/DocumentList.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=212025&SubsidiaryNumber=0&DocType=AccountList



But then I got distracted at what the Magners project was!
29th December 2015 at 2:48pm

Diane Drinkwater
Manchester & District

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The Basic assessment has now gone up £3 and now costs £18.
29th December 2015 at 2:53pm

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Magners, see what you mean....Only think I can think of its do with apple pollination for the cider company :-) I was joking until I found a reference to BBKA and magners cider sponsoring something Link here, it's in the chairman's address, but now it seems it's costing the BBKA...weird.

Very interesting Diane, thanks for the link. A very quick read reveals some interesting stuff (see picture below).
Magazine costs 2014 where down nearly 10k less than in 2013, whereas exam board cost nearly 10K more in 2014 than 2013.

I was interested to see what the web site cost, but can't find it, unless it's part of education.

Given that one of the aims of the BBKA is stated as "BBKA furthers education and research into the study of honeybees through making grants to appropriate institutions and individuals". Very paltry amount spend on research for both 2013 and 2014, wouldn't even pay a single post doc salary for a year. Given what I take to be current cash assets (at bank deposit) of over £500,000 (you'll need to follow Diane's link and go to 2014 accounts). but seems a very healthy balance for the BBKA to be quibbling over 2K for postage costs within the organisation. They are a charity not a profit making organisation.
Be interesting to see what people with accountancy skills make of these accounts.


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29th December 2015 at 5:02pm

Diane Drinkwater
Manchester & District

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There was a bee beard app - it's still on itunes I think but not on the android store. A donation was to be made for each download of the app.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/magners-bee-beard/id454168138?mt=8

There you go.
No idea how many downloads it got - it raises all sorts of questions though. Who paid for the app, what donations were made from it (They're listed in the wordy bit of the accounts along with other money from other things so no individual amounts that I could see.)


<span>"In return for every download of the app a donation will be made to the British Bee Keeping Association (BBKA) and Federation of Irish BeeKeepers (FIBKA), to help save 1.5 million urban bees over the next year"</span>

I think I'd read 50 bees donated per download but have no idea where I've read that now.

All very interesting reading though to look at the accounts.
29th December 2015 at 7:26pm

Richard Turner
Stratford-upon-Avon

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Thymallus wrote:
A very quick read reveals some interesting stuff (see picture below).
Magazine costs 2014 where down nearly 10k less than in 2013, whereas exam board cost nearly 10K more in 2014 than 2013.
 To get the true picture you need to look at the previous page which details the income for different areas of activity as BBKA have chosen to separate these partially as a result of Charity Act accounting regulations.  Unfortunately income from other publishing has been lumped in with Bbka News income.
7th January 2016 at 3:13pm

Diane Drinkwater
Manchester & District

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Basic Assessments are now listed on this page https://archive.bbka.org.uk/learn/results_of_assessments_carried_out_during_2015 along with 
Junior certificates
Microscopy assessment
General Husbandry
Advanced Husbandry. 

Are there plans to collate all previous results in a similar location?
1st July 2016 at 10:09am

Nigel Pringle
North Yorkshire

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Good to see the exam results are still being published in the BBKA magazine. Long may it continue.

Also a nice statement from Pam Hunt saying they will only accept assessors and markers from those who have actually done the exams themselves.
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